LoVel wrote:It's obvious you guys don't live in the south. Don't live it every day. Don't understand what your talking about. You could loose your job for talking like that down here. It's easy to say it's just a word and it only means something if you give it that power. I feel the same way. You go first.
first let me say how nice it is to be able to speak freely about important issues without the ever-present censorship...in a pretend "Freedom of Speech Country" that's rare. kudos to Mark (I'll still behave).
the slave trade was inter-tribal kidnapping (black on black), moslem businessmen (brown on green), European ships(pick a religion prayed to on the high seas (green on blue), and land owners(white on green). LOTS of fingers in that pie...and it went back a long ways.
I didn't have anything to do with any of it. the entire history of man is about killing in the name of religion...for profit and power. Jews wrote the book...
see: Joshua conquest of Canaan /kill every living thing/God told me to.
the Indians sat down and refused to co-operate, so they got the Africans, when that failed they posted "Give me your huddled masses yearning to slave for long hours for scraps"...when that unionized, they do it again in China, India, and they still have Bangladesh and others to fall back on...it's ALWAYS been about the classes and who's exploitable. The world functions on slave labor...even today. If they could get monkeys to be slaves, they would,
US slavery had it's Abolishionists and Quaker vocal opposition all along...it's not like everyone was guilty...we can find the records and see exactly what families made money with slaves if we choose to...but that would be the rich families and they don't want that...they want "white guilt" where everybody white is guilty...that's just not the case.
I've been down south...Mississippi was spooky...and damn hot as I recall. If ancestors are going to abuse a people in slavery, the sins of the father are carried over to the son. I don't have an answer for that...but it's not accurate to say,
"It's obvious you guys don't live in the south. Don't live it every day. Don't understand what your talking about."
...we didn't get our tit caught in that ringer...as ye sow, so shall ye reap...and that little "hiccup of judgment" is effecting us all...it ain't gonna be over til the fat lady sings...you can't abuse people, breed them for power and speed, then expect them to forgive and behave...wind a spring and it does what it does. You're lucky the Africans went into politics rather than beat you with farm implements under John Brown ('s body lies a molderin' in the grave).
this started with MLK, and someone called him a media darling of little consequense...I don't think this story can yet be told accurately until the black rage has washed over...Gandhi and Martin had it right.
The only answer to this is going to be in education...and not in selective sound bites. Emancipation was 1863-ish with Antietim, Jim Crow was 100 years later...not much difference...MLK was pre-68. 400 years of abuse isn't going away with 40 years of slap on the wrist.
d' Africans is pissed...and I can't blame them...but 1. don't be pissed at me for being white...I didn't do the crime...we're either going to be racist and bigotted or we aren't...it goes all ways...and 2. you can't promote Flavor Flav pimp-ousity out of guilt..."nigger rich" is not wealth...someone has to be making better decisions...the examples before the children are what determine the future.
give me the child, I'll show you the man.
watch sweatmachine over the next couple months...cause I can see it already...perceived power...not to be confused with the buck stops here.
[quote] Don't understand what your talking about [quote]
no?
we can do wops, spics, mics, pollocks, dot heads, kikes, rag heads, and those goddamn drunken ever-breeding irish bastards that need not apply later...anyone have a line on cheap helmets and band-aids?
I started reading Lenny Bruce when I was 14 or so because of the "dirty" parts...a good education...Paul Simon said in one of his early obscure songs, "I learned the truth from Lenny Bruce"...anyone who hasn't yet, pick up his autobiography "How to talk dirty and influence people"...it's about a funny funny free thinker who got squashed in the mid 60s by basically the Catholic Church and this government for censorship and Free Speech issues...censorship won...again...yet he changed the world like Hugh Hefner but without the fame and glory. Richard Prior, Chris Rock, George Carlin and all that comedy line are his direct descendants. He died in August 66 of an intentional herion overdose...he had enough of the roadblocks...just as Jesus' intentional "suicide by police."
a must read.
